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plapjc8
Jun 08, 2021
In Welcome to the Forum
O Father Jehovah, please help me! This gay Jehovah's Witness is suffering. He has a serious dilemma with his gay feelings and desires which totally conflict with Jehovah's standards. Few understand the agony a gay Jehovah's Witness is going through when day and night his imperfect, perverted flesh craves to be and calls out to be, satisfied. Does he need our help just like other Jehovah's Witnesses who are suffering and who need our help? Notice what the Bible admonishes each of us to do for those who are suffering. 1 Corinthians 12:26 - "If one member suffers, all the other members suffer with it. Psalm 145:19 - "He satisfies the desire of those who fear him; He hears their cry for help, and he rescues them." Do we hear and listen to gay Jehovah's Witnesses' cry for help just as Jehovah does, with the goal of rescuing them? 1 Thessalonians 5:14 - On the other hand, we urge you, brothers, ... speak consolingly to those who are depressed, support the weak, .... And at Acts 20:35 - "you must assist those who are weak." Here is an awesome article that helps us know how to support the weak. Click on the title to read the article. Do You View Human Weakness as Jehovah Does? This song's lyrics are encouraging. Click on the title to see the lyrics and hear the instrumental version. "Assist Those Who Are Weak" So when a gay Jehovah's Witness suffers, when he cries out for help, when he's weak, when he's depressed, what can we do for him, how can we help him, how do we speak consolingly to him, how do we support him? May this post help us to help gay Jehovah's Witnesses, to sincerely and lovingly support them. Gay Jehovah's Witnesses often reach out for help, a listening ear, not to be judged, but to be understood, to be comforted, to be encouraged, to be reassured. They long for a confidant or even confidants. Of the well-intentioned would-be comforters whom we reach out to and who do try to help us, we often find that the person is a bit homophobic or just doesn't know what to say. Or the well-intentioned would-be comforter reads us some Scriptures and tells us to pray. But, nothing changes. So when such well-intentioned would-be comforters do try to help, gay Jehovah's Witnesses are often left saying to themselves and to their well-intentioned would-be comforters, "You don't have a clue." This well-intentioned would-be comforter doesn't have a clue. Consider these points so as to avoid hurting more than helping. Avoid reaching out in an impersonal way through text or Facebook messages. They are insufficient by themselves to help a hurting gay Jehovah's Witness. Have face-to-face communication with the person, even on Zoom, at a time and place of their choosing. Avoid jumping into advice and problem solving statements. It can distract you from giving needed spiritual encouragement and comfort, based on what the person is saying, what he needs and wants. They need to be the one asking for advice, asking how to deal with their dilemma. AVOIDING talking about the person's problems and situation. The person may want to talk. You must listen attentively. You may be a bit homophobic and just don't know what to say, so you let the conversation deteriorate into mundane things like current events, TV shows, and a million other things. If you are a bit homophobic or just don't know what to say, tell the person that. Maybe the two of you can find someone that will listen attentively, that will know how to offer the needed and wanted help and support. If you're not a gay Jehovah's Witness, don't say, "I know exactly what you're going through." Instead, try saying this, “I don’t know exactly what you're going through, but it seems painful, depressing, and very hard for you, and I am sorry. But I do want to help and support you." Avoid being too positive. You have to deal with the person's depressing and frustrating feelings. If you rush to change a person's mood, you may risk the possibility that the gay Jehovah's Witness will feel that their feelings, needs, and wants are being discounted. Now, on the contrary, for the clueless, well-intentioned would-be comforter, here are some excellent, important points to keep in mind when attempting to comfort and console a gay Jehovah's Witness, in order to be a true and effective confidant, These excellent, important points were made by a brother in the June 2021 JW Broadcast. Here is a 2 minute 11 second video clip of his experience: Excellent advice! Ask questions! "What do you want me to do for you?" "How may I help?" "What's been happening in your life?" "How can I help you?" Such questions allow you to give meaningful assistance. Don't make the mistake of knowing what a person wants or needs. Ask them questions as Jesus did. At Mark 10:51 Jesus asked: "What do you want me to do for you?" Dignify gay Jehovah's Witnesses and allow such gay brothers and sisters to reveal what is in their heart, again then you can render meaningful assistance. "What do you want me to do for you?" And this thought to keep well in mind. It is not always easy for a gay Jehovah's Witness to talk about his innermost feelings and his anxiety over his homosexual desires and how they conflict with God's laws, and how he struggles to control them. So he is revealing very personal information and is trusting in you for your help and support, to hear your listening and sympathetic ear, and your words of solace. Therefore, most importantly, keep your conversations with him confidential!!! Let's imitate Jesus and say to our gay brothers and sisters who need help and support, "I want to." AND follow through! When a leper begged Jesus to make him clean, Jesus said, "I want to." And what happened next? Jesus acted, he did something for the leper right away! And immediately the leper was healed. And maybe, just maybe, by our supporting a gay Jehovah's Witness, offering genuine support that they may be receiving for the very first time, we may see immediate results, especially taking a huge weight off his shoulders! It will then be the beginning of a lasting journey of mutual support and friendship. Paul wrote about those who became a "source of great comfort" to him. (Colossians 4:11) In the reference study edition of the New World Translation, a footnote on the Greek word in this verse explains: Or “a strengthening aid.” One reference work explains that this word and various forms of it were especially used as medical terms, in the sense of alleviating symptoms of an illness. The same reference adds: “Perhaps owing to this usage, the idea of consolation, comfort, is on the whole predominant in the word.” In the case of Paul, the brothers mentioned earlier apparently gave him verbal solace and encouragement as well as assistance in basic, practical matters.​—Pr 17:17. They wanted to help and support Paul in his trying situations, and they persistently and consistently followed through in doing so. We must "want to" do exactly the same for our gay brothers and sisters, both in word and in deed, alleviating the debilitating symptoms of their trying situation of being gay. Here's an encouraging song. Click on the title, then the digital button, to see the lyrics, and to hear the song being sung, "I Want To" Gay Jehovah's Witnesses may feel helpless, hopeless. Often all that is needed is a simple expression, I want to help you, and then follow through. Remember the leper who said to Jesus: "If you just want to, you can make me clean." Jesus replied, "I want to." In many cultures, giving the person a hug, or a gentle squeeze of the arm or hand, or a tender kiss, or putting your arm around them, these gestures are an effective way to show you care, that you really do want to help, to comfort, to encourage. to reassure gay Jehovah's Witnesses. And you want to make them feel safe and secure. Remember how Jesus touched the leper that he made clean? At Matthew 8:1-3 we read: "After he came down from the mountain, large crowds followed him. And look! a leper came up and did obeisance to him, saying: “Lord, if you just want to, you can make me clean.” So stretching out his hand, he touched him, saying: “I want to! Be made clean.” Immediately his leprosy was cleansed away." Jesus touched him. Remember, lepers were untouchables. Can you imagine how the leper must have felt when Jesus touched him?! Touch can communicate so much! Touch makes us feel safe and loved. Note the help. comfort, encouragement, and reassurance revealed in these images of touch: Maybe have a comforting, encouraging, reassuring conversation over a relaxing drink! The apostle Paul wrote at Romans 12:15 - "Weep with those that weep." Show tender love and fellow feeling. If the person wants to talk, listen attentively. But remember, the gay Jehovah's Witness that you may be helping may receive a lot of initial help, but then their wants and needs are soon forgotten as comforters get busy again with their own lives. Therefore, make a point of contacting the gay brother or sister on a regular basis. Many downhearted ones deeply appreciate opportunities to relieve themselves of prolonged feelings of being gay. Ongoing help, comfort, encouragement, and reassurance are essential. Embrace the person, even physically, with continued kind words, practical help, and touch. In Africa, for example, touch among males is very customary. The article “In Africa, Men Hold Hands and How Boys Become Men Response”, author Bill Batson tells us about his experiences with how males behave in South Africa and further explains how there is no weakness in showing brotherly tenderness. It is believed Batson wrote this piece to show the rest of the world that performing acts such as holding hands with another male does not make you any less of a man. It makes you more masculine as you are confident with your sexuality to perform such acts in the public eye. Here is former President Bush holding hands with a Saudi prince. With gay Jehovah's Witnesses, self-control makes holding hands possible without sending a sexual message. In addition to touching the leper, consider a couple more examples of how Jesus was involved in touch. Note this scene. Jesus genuinely loved being around children. Mark reports that Jesus “took the children into his arms and began blessing them, laying his hands upon them.” (Mark 10:16) This suggests that Jesus blessed the children fervently, tenderly, and warmly. Think how comforted and loved the children must have felt from Jesus' touch! And consider another scene involving Jesus and touch. Here was the apostle John in Jesus' bosom position while reclining at the Passover meal. It was the custom that friend be placed next to friend, which made it rather easy to engage in confidential conversation if desired. To be in such a bosom position of another at a banquet was indeed to occupy a special place of favor with that one. So the apostle John, whom Jesus dearly loved, “was reclining in front of Jesus’ bosom,” and in such a position he “leaned back upon the breast of Jesus” and privately asked him a question at the celebration of the last Passover.​—John 13:23, 25; 21:20. Truly a scene of "touching" friendship and comfort for the apostle John! Jesus said, "No one has love greater than this, that someone should surrender his life in behalf of his friends." (John 15:13) Let's love our gay brothers and sisters intensely from the heart, willing even to surrender our lives for them. Contemplate the words of this song. Click on the song title to see the lyrics and hear the song being sung. Love Intensely From the Heart Let us welcome all gay Jehovah's Witnesses here into a bosom position with us to enjoy touch and confidential conversation. May they feel safe and feel our fervent, tender, and warm love for them. Allow Jehovah and us to comfort and soothe you. You can regain your peace despite that your gay anxiety remains. and, yes, problems associated with your gayness can still persist. But nothing can stop Jehovah from soothing your troubled heart. Jehovah will never forget you, and sooner or later he will reward your perseverance and faithfulness. We won't forget you! Listen to this song of comfort to know you won't be forgotten here on this site. Click on the song title to see the lyrics and hear it sung. The digital button gives you the lyrics to the song being sung. Then click also on the video button to watch a music video appropriate to the song. We Won't Forget You We are not forgotten when times get tough. It is especially helpful to have that confidant or even confidants, particularly one who also experiences gay feelings and desires, We can find them here on this site for that mutual help and support. So to help, we begin with asking those questions: "What do you want me to do for you?" "How may I help?" "What's been happening in your life?" "How can I help you?" Their answers help us to know how to proceed, then to help and support regularly. Our words should strengthen a gay brother or sister. Remember the experience of Job at Job 16:4 and 5 - " I could also speak as you do. If you were in my place, I could make persuasive speeches against you and shake my head at you. Instead, though, I would strengthen you with the words of my mouth and the consolation of my lips would bring relief." And what do all these gestures of touch, asking the right questions, and saying the right words of comfort, mean? That you have unfailing love for a gay Jehovah's Witness, just as Jehovah has. A gay Jehovah's Witness needs love, too. May we all show such gay Jehovah's Witnesses unfailing love. Here's an appropriate song. Just click on the song title to see the lyrics and hear the song being sung. When the song comes up, click on the digital button for the lyrics and to hear the song being sung. There is an accompanying music video you can watch by clicking on the video button. When you watch the music video, notice so, so, so many images of touch! PLEASE WATCH THE VIDEO!!! Click on this song title here or the one that follows these images of touch. After listening to the song and following along with the lyrics, be sure to watch the music video! When you click on the title of the song again, then click on the video button. Unfailing Love Love from Jehovah never fails. It brings us joy and comfort, as does the love from fellow gay Jehovah's Witnesses. Listen to the song again and watch the accompanying music video, clicking on the video button. Unfailing Love Love from Jehovah never fails. It brings us joy and comfort, And the love from fellow gay Jehovah's Witnesses never fails. Click also on this Blog post on the Home page, Don't let your gayness cause you to leave being one of Jehovah's Witnesses. I beg you, please don't leave! I'm so happy you're staying!
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plapjc8
May 14, 2021
In Welcome to the Forum
I Want to Die​— Can the Bible Help Me When I Have Suicidal Thoughts? The Bible’s answer Yes! The Bible comes from “God, who comforts those who are downhearted.” (2 Corinthians 7:6) Although the Bible is not a mental-health textbook, it has helped many overcome suicidal thoughts. Its practical advice can help you too. What practical advice does the Bible give? Does the Bible tell us about people who wanted to die? Which Bible verses can help you resist suicidal thoughts? What if a friend says, “I want to die”? What if I have attempted suicide in the past? What practical advice does the Bible give? ●Express your feelings. What the Bible says: “A true friend shows love at all times, and is a brother who is born for times of distress.”—Proverbs 17:17. Meaning: We need the support of others when we have distressing thoughts. If you keep your feelings to yourself, you carry a burden that can become unbearable. But if you share your feelings, you may lessen their intensity and even gain a fresh perspective. Try this: Talk to someone today, perhaps a family member or a trusted friend. * You might also express yourself by writing down your feelings. ●Get professional help. What the Bible says: “Healthy people do not need a physician, but those who are ill do.”—Matthew 9:12. Meaning: We should seek medical help when we are ill. Suicidal thoughts may be a symptom of mental or emotional illness. Like physical sickness, this is nothing to be ashamed of. Mental and emotional illnesses can be treated. Young gay men are 6 times more likely to be depressed, anxious, and suicidal than older gay men. Try this: Seek help from a qualified expert as soon as possible. Click on this link: Suicide Crisis Hotline Call 1-800-273-TALK (8255) at any time 24/7 for help. What does Jehovah, your Maker, consider you? Jehovah considers you a precious miracle, a gift that he has given to you, to your loved ones, and to us gay Jehovah's Witnesses here. How do you treat the gifts you receive? Don't you cherish them, keep them, preserve them? From the moment of conception how precious and cherished you are to God and to us. May the words of this song below, "The Miracle of Life," give you comfort, encouragement, and reassurance to hold your precious life as a sacred gift that needs to be preserved now and for all eternity. Click on the song title here or the one above or the song title following the lyrics and image. Please listen to it over and over and over again. As you contemplate the words of the song, note in the lyrics that Job's wife told him to take his life, to give up, (See the image below under Job and the explanation.) but despite horrific circumstances, Job endured, was patient, kept alive, and, in the end, he was blessed two-fold! See what a precious gift you were and still are! Ev’ry newborn child, Ev’ry drop of rain, Ev’ry golden ray of sun, Each head of grain— All are gifts from God; They reveal his way. Miracles performed by him sustain us each day. (CHORUS) So, what are we to do with a gift so rare But to love the One who gave it and show him we care. No matter what we do, We never can earn it. This gift is still a gift​—The miracle of life. Others may give up, Lose their will to try, Echoing the wife of Job: “Curse God and die.” We are not that way; Praise to God we give, Thanking him for ev’ry precious moment we live. (CHORUS) So, what are we to do with a gift so rare But to love the ones around us and show them we care. No matter what we do, We never can earn it. This gift is still a gift​—The miracle of life. Click on the song title to see these lyrics and to hear the song being sung. And remember, listen to it over and over and over again. The Miracle of Life Keep your precious, miraculous, sacred gift of life alive!!! Please enjoy this encouraging song. Click on the song title, then the digital button to see the lyrics and hear the song being sung. Click also on the video button to see an accompanying music video. Jehovah's Always by Our Side Jehovah is always willing to hold our hand. Please read on. Remember that God cares. What the Bible says: “Five sparrows sell for two coins of small value, do they not? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. . . . Have no fear; you are worth more than many sparrows.”—Luke 12:6, 7.Meaning: You are precious to God. You may feel all alone, but God sees what you are going through. He cares about you—even if you have lost your will to live. “A heart broken and crushed, O God, you will not reject,” says Psalm 51:17. God wants you to live because he loves you. Try this: Examine evidence from the Bible that God loves you. For example, see chapter 24 of the Bible study aid Draw Close to Jehovah. Click on chapter 24 to go directly to the book's chapter. Pray to God. What the Bible says: “Throw all your anxiety on [God], because he cares for you.”—1 Peter 5:7. Meaning: God invites you to tell him openly and honestly about whatever weighs on your mind. God can give you both inner peace and the strength to keep going. (Philippians 4:6, 7, 13) In this way, he sustains those who call out to him with a sincere heart.—Psalm 55:22. Try this: Pray to God today. Use his name, Jehovah, and tell him about your feelings. (Psalm 83:18) Ask him to help you keep going. Meditate on the Bible’s hope for the future. What the Bible says: “We have this hope as an anchor for our lives, both sure and firm.”—Hebrews 6:19, footnote. Meaning: Your emotions may go up and down like a ship in a storm, but the hope held out by the Bible can stabilize you. That hope is not wishful thinking but is based on God’s promise to remove the causes of our pain.—Revelation 21:4. Try this: Learn more about the Bible’s hope by reading lesson 5 of the brochure Good News From God! Do something you enjoy. What the Bible says: “A joyful heart is good medicine.”—Proverbs 17:22. Meaning: When we do things that bring us joy, we may improve our mental or emotional well-being. Try this: Do something that you normally enjoy. For example, listen to uplifting music, read something encouraging, or pursue a hobby. You will also increase your happiness if you do something to help others, even in small ways.—Acts 20:35. Take care of your physical health. What the Bible says: “Physical training is beneficial.”—1 Timothy 4:8. Meaning: We benefit when we exercise, get adequate sleep, and eat healthful food. Try this: Go for a brisk walk, even for just 15 minutes. Remember that feelings and other things in life change. What the Bible says: “You do not know what your life will be like tomorrow.”—James 4:14. Meaning: A distressing problem—even one that seems beyond your control—may well be temporary. No matter how bleak your situation seems today, it can change tomorrow. So look for ways to cope. (2 Corinthians 4:8) Your distressing situation will likely change in time, but you cannot undo suicide. Try this: Read Bible accounts about people who felt so discouraged that they wanted to die, and see how their life eventually changed for the better—often in ways that they could not have foreseen. Consider some examples. Does the Bible tell us about people who wanted to die? Yes. The Bible tells us about some who said, in effect, “I want to die.” God did not rebuke them, but offered them help. He can do the same for you. Elijah ●Who was he? Elijah was a brave prophet. But he was not immune to discouragement. “Elijah was a man with feelings like ours,” says James 5:17. ●Why did he want to die? At one point, Elijah felt alone, afraid, and worthless. So he begged: “Jehovah, take my life away.”—1 Kings 19:4. ●What helped him? Elijah poured out his feelings to God. How did God encourage him? God showed him concern and gave him a demonstration of His power. He also assured Elijah that he was still needed and gave Elijah a caring and capable assistant. ▸Read about Elijah: 1 Kings 19:2-18. Job ●Who was he? Job was a wealthy family man who faithfully worshipped the true God. ●Why did he want to die? Job’s life took a major turn for the worse. He lost all his possessions. All of his children died in a disaster. He got an agonizing disease. And finally, he was cruelly and falsely accused of causing his own problems. Job said: “I loathe my life; I do not want to go on living.”—Job 7:16. At Job 2:9 Job's wife said to him, "Curse God and die!" In short, Job’s wife was saying, “Give up!” Job’s life had completely fallen apart. Instead of encouraging Job to faithfully endure, his wife said he should just die! Even worse, she told him to curse God before he died. She saw God as the problem, the One who had abandoned Job in his time of trouble. ●What helped him? Job prayed to God and talked to others. (Job 10:1-3) He was encouraged by a compassionate friend, Elihu, who helped him put his situation in perspective. Above all, Job welcomed God’s counsel and help. ▸Read about Job: Job 1:1-3, 13-​22; 2:7; 3:1-13; 36:1-7; 38:1-3; 42:1, 2, 10-13. Moses ●Who was he? Moses was a leader of ancient Israel and a faithful prophet. ●Why did he want to die? Moses had a huge workload, was constantly criticized, and felt worn out. So he cried out to God: “Please kill me right now.”—Numbers 11:11, 15. ●What helped him? Moses told God how he felt. God helped Moses lighten his workload to alleviate the stress. ▸Read about Moses: Numbers 11:4-6, 10-17. Which Bible verses can help you resist suicidal thoughts? Verses that show God cares about you: “Jehovah is close to the brokenhearted; he saves those who are crushed in spirit.”—Psalm 34:18. “When anxieties overwhelmed me, you comforted and soothed me.”—Psalm 94:19. (See also Psalm 27:10; 103:12-14; 2 Corinthians 1:3, 4.) Verses that show God understands your pain: “You have seen my affliction; you are aware of my deep distress.”—Psalm 31:7. “During all their distress it was distressing to him. . . . In his love and compassion . . . , he lifted them up.”—Isaiah 63:9. Verses that show God wants you to draw close to him and pour out your heart in prayer: “Do not be anxious over anything, but in everything by prayer . . . let your petitions be made known to God; and the peace of God that surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and your mental powers.”—Philippians 4:6, 7. “Draw close to God, and he will draw close to you.”—James 4:8. (See also Psalm 34:4, 15; 55:22.) Verses that show God can give you strength: “For all things I have the strength through the one who gives me power.”—Philippians 4:13. “Do not be afraid, for I am with you. Do not be anxious, for I am your God. I will fortify you, yes, I will help you.”—Isaiah 41:10. (See also Psalm 138:3; Isaiah 40:29-31.) What if a friend says, “I want to die”? Take any mention of suicidal thoughts seriously. Encourage your friend to talk; draw him or her out. (Proverbs 20:5) When people talk about their thoughts of suicide, they may be less likely to carry out the act. Listen empathetically. “Be quick to listen, slow to speak.” (James 1:19) Understand that anguish or depression can drive a person to say things that are “wild talk.” (Job 6:2, 3) So if a friend says something thoughtless or unkind, don’t overreact and take offense. Speak consolingly. The Bible advises us: “Speak consolingly to those who are depressed.” (1 Thessalonians 5:14) Do not minimize your friend’s feelings. Acknowledge his feelings and the reasons for them. Tell your friend how much he means to you. Urge your friend to get help. “Wisdom belongs to those who seek advice,” says Proverbs 13:10. If your friend had a serious physical illness, you would encourage him to see a doctor. Suicidal thoughts can be a symptom of mental or emotional illness, so urge him to seek professional help. Even offer to go with him. Show love. The Bible says: “A true friend shows love at all times, and is a brother who is born for times of distress.” (Proverbs 17:17) You cannot erase your friend’s problems or suicidal thoughts. But by confirming your love for him and your support, you may help him through another day—and his next day may look brighter. What if I have attempted suicide in the past? Understandably, you may have feelings of guilt or shame. You may also feel that no one understands what led you to attempt suicide or the emotional anguish you may now be living with. The Bible acknowledges that we cannot fully understand what others feel. “The heart knows its own bitterness,” says the Bible. (Proverbs 14:10; 1 Kings 8:38) So while loved ones can offer a measure of comfort, they are somewhat limited. Be assured, however, that you are not alone. God knows the human heart. (2 Chronicles 6:30) Jehovah knows what may have led you to feel that suicide was the only way out. He also understands your present feelings, which, as mentioned, may include guilt or shame.—Psalm 139:1. While God highly values life, he is willing to forgive those who have had suicidal thoughts. (Psalm 86:5) He knows that many who attempt suicide do not want to die—they just want to end their pain. So Jehovah can help, even if “our hearts may condemn us . . . , because God is greater than our hearts and knows all things.” (1 John 3:19, 20) Yes, for you he wants to be “the Father of tender mercies and the God of all comfort.”—2 Corinthians 1:3. We here want to help you. Our hearts burst with the love we have for you! Our words to you are "Don't give up!" Let us help you live, please! Article: Saved From Suicide Click on the article title. Article: Why Go On? Click on the article title. Why go on? Consider three reasons to keep living: Click on the titles to read these articles: Because Things Change Because There Is Help Because There Is Hope As mentioned above at Proverbs 17:22 we read: “A joyful heart is good medicine.” JOY can be a great help to calm suicidal thoughts. Imagine JOY eternally! May this song bring you such joy, yes, joy eternally. Meditate on the lyrics to this song. Click on the song title to see the lyrics and hear the song being sung. When the song opens, make sure the digital button is clicked on. Then to watch the music video, click on the video button. Our Joy Eternally Jehovah is and will always be our true Source of joy. Let us help you live! Think about when all "sighing and groaning" will be gone and when Jehovah will fulfill these words at Revelation 21:3-5 - With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.” And the One seated on the throne said: “Look! I am making all things new.” Also he says: “Write, for these words are faithful and true.” May this song spur you on to live! Let us see ourselves when there's "Life Without End--At Last!" Click on the song title to see the lyrics and to hear the song being sung. It is so comforting. "Life Without End--At Last!" Our reliable hope Guaranteed! You can win the fight to keep living. Please enjoy this encouraging song. Click on the link, then the digital button to see the lyrics and hear the song being sung. Click also on the video button to see an accompanying music video. Please also enjoy this encouraging song. Click on the song title, then the digital button to see the lyrics and hear the song being sung. Click also on the video button to see an accompanying music video. The New World to Come We can influence our thoughts by what we picture in our mind’s eye. This song helps us focus on the new world. Let's go into the new world together! Click also on the Forum post, Depression, among other comforting posts.
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plapjc8
May 13, 2021
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Music is powerful! Music expresses things that you can't express in any other way. Music has the power to reach the heart and to stir strong emotions. These are great songs that are comforting, encouraging, and reassuring. These songs and their lyrics do have the power to reach your heart, to fill your heart with exactly what you need. Just click on the song title to play the song. The digital edition button gives you the lyrics to the song being sung. Then click also on the video button to watch a music video accompanying the song. You might need a tissue! The Best Life Ever Helping and encouraging others gives us the best feeling ever. We Won’t Forget You We are not forgotten when times get tough to bear. Never Give Up Carry on, and trust in Jehovah. Isn't our reward of eternal life better than that of diamonds? Imagine the Time A brand new day just ahead is waiting for us! Where I Belong Where would we go if we left Jehovah's people? Forgive One Another Look for opportunities in your life to imitate Jehovah and forgive others. Stop, Think, and Pray When we face problems, what can we do? Important Things We need to set time aside for the most important things —prayer, study, and godly devotion. Confident in You Reading and meditating on God’s Word can help us survive the storms of life. Never Alone When we have Jehovah, we are never alone! Brotherly Love Spiritual gay brothers will always be there to comfort, encourage, and reassure you. Do Not Be Afraid When life gets hard, we need to remember we’re not alone. You Can Count on Me Through our ups and downs, we can count on true friends. Give Me Courage Jehovah can give us courage to endure any trials we may face. Each Day Has Its Own Anxieties We can find peace and joy despite our burdens. I Can Get Back Up Even though we're down and out, we can get back up. “Fight the Fine Fight of the Faith” Despite our problems and struggles, we can remain faithful to Jehovah. Jehovah’s Always by Our Side Jehovah is always willing to hold our hand. The New World to Come We can influence our thoughts by what we picture in our mind’s eye. This song helps us focus on the new world. Unfailing Love Love from Jehovah never fails. It brings us joy and comfort. Roll It on Him When you’re depressed, continue to rely on Jehovah for strength and comfort Our Thanks Go to You Jehovah comforts us with peace of mind. Jehovah Welcomes You Home Jehovah and we brothers love you and want to shelter you. Welcome back! Run the Race Make wise decisions to win the race for life. Safeguard Your Mind With Jehovah’s help, you can win the battle against anxious thoughts. Our Joy Eternally Jehovah is and will always be our true Source of joy. With Eyes of Faith Imagine the wondrous future God has in store for mankind! Another beautiful music video accompanies this song as well. Produced by the Watchtower, Bible, and Tract Society of Pennsylvania. Click on the arrow to watch. We Need Self-Control Controlling gay feelings and desires "Life Without End--At Last!" Our reliable hope "I Want To" Our unconditional genuine willingness to help others Love Intensely From the Heart What we owe gay Jehovah's Witnesses "Gaining Jehovah's Friendship" Jehovah's hand of friendship is always extended. The Miracle of Life Keep life alive!!! Our Strength, Our Hope, Our Confidence Freed from gay feelings and desires, freed from suicidal thoughts, and freed from being victimized by sexual abuse These songs and videos were so comforting. They touched my heart. They brought tears to my eyes.
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Don't gay Jehovah's Witnesses today find easy access to gay porn? Perhaps viewing gay porn for the first time in our teenage years, watching gay porn became a regular habit, an actual addiction. Gay Jehovah's Witnesses, in particular, are likely to use porn as a resource in exploring sexuality and vicariously, that is, in a way that is experienced in the imagination through the actions of another person, so as to carry out their gay sexual desires and fantasies. They may compulsively watch it, unable to stop even when it jeopardizes their jobs or relationships, and even their relationship with Jehovah. Gay porn addicts among gay Jehovah's Witnesses find their porn consumption distressing. And some gay Jehovah's Witnesses say, "But I can't masturbate unless I watch gay porn. I don't watch guys doing oral sex, or anal sex, or mutual masturbation, even no kissing, just guys masturbating solo." See the Forum post about masturbation under "Ask Anything," the question being asked "To Masturbate or Not to Masturbate?" Click on the "Ask Anything" title here to go directly to the Forum post where that question is listed. Comments from the Branch on Pornography: Uncleanness. The original Bible word translated “uncleanness” is a broad term that includes much more than sexual sins. It can refer to the harmful practice of smoking or the telling of obscene jokes. (2 Cor. 7:1; Eph. 5:3, 4) It also applies to unclean activities practiced by an individual in private, such as reading sexually stimulating books or viewing pornography, which may lead to the unclean habit of masturbation.​—Col. 3:5. Uncleanness: Or “filthiness; depravity; lewdness.” In its figurative meaning, “uncleanness” (Greek, a·ka·thar·siʹa) embraces impurity of any kind​—in sexual matters, in speech, in action, and in spiritual relationships. (Compare 1Co 7:14; 2Co 6:17; 1Th 2:3.) “Uncleanness” can therefore refer to various types of wrongdoing and may include various degrees of seriousness. The word stresses the morally repugnant nature of the wrong conduct or condition.​—See Glossary, “Unclean,” and study notes on Ga 5:19; Eph 4:19. Those who habitually view pornography nurture “uncontrolled sexual passion,” which may result in their becoming addicted to sex. Research indicates that individuals who admitted to having an irresistible urge to watch pornography show the same signs of addiction as do alcoholics and drug addicts. No wonder the practice of viewing pornography has harmful results​—such as deep feelings of shame, low productivity in the workplace, unhappy family life, divorce, and suicide. On celebrating a year of being free of his addiction to pornography, one man wrote: “I have restored a sense of personal integrity that was missing.” Furthermore, we are counseled at Colossians 3:5: "Deaden*, therefore, your body members that are on the earth as respects sexual immorality*, uncleanness*, uncontrolled sexual passion*, hurtful desire, and greediness, which is idolatry." *Deaden: Paul uses vivid figurative language to highlight that strong measures are needed in order to eliminate wrong fleshly desires. (Ga 5:24) The Greek word rendered “deaden” literally means to “put to death,” “kill,” or “do away with.”​—Compare Mt 5:29, 30; 18:8, 9; Mr 9:43, 45, 47. *sexual immorality: The Greek word por·neiʹa is a general term for all sexual activity that is unlawful according to the Bible, including adultery, sexual relations between unmarried individuals, homosexual acts, and other sexual sins.​—See Glossary and study note on Ga 5:19. *uncleanness: Or “filthiness; depravity; lewdness.” In its figurative meaning, “uncleanness” (Greek, a·ka·thar·siʹa) embraces impurity of any kind​—in sexual matters, in speech, in action, and in spiritual relationships. (Compare 1Co 7:14; 2Co 6:17; 1Th 2:3.) “Uncleanness” can therefore refer to various types of wrongdoing and may include various degrees of seriousness. The word stresses the morally repugnant nature of the wrong conduct or condition.​—See Glossary, “Unclean,” and study notes on Ga 5:19; Eph 4:19. *uncleanness: Or “filthiness; depravity; lewdness.” Of the first three “works of the flesh” mentioned in this verse, “uncleanness” (Greek, a·ka·thar·siʹa) is the broadest in meaning. This word appears ten times in the Christian Greek Scriptures. Literally, the word refers to something physically unclean or filthy. (Mt 23:27) The figurative meaning encompasses impurity of any kind​—in sexual matters, in speech, in action, and in spiritual relationships, such as the worship of false gods. (Ro 1:24; 6:19; 2Co 6:17; 12:21; Eph 4:19; 5:3; Col 3:5; 1Th 2:3; 4:7) “Uncleanness” can therefore refer to various types of wrongdoing of varying degrees of seriousness. (See study note on Eph 4:19.) It stresses the morally repugnant nature of the wrong conduct or condition.​—See Glossary, “Unclean.” *uncontrolled sexual passion: The Greek word paʹthos refers to strong desire, or uncontrolled passion. The context makes it clear that it refers to desires of a sexual nature. Here these desires are described as being “disgraceful” (Greek, a·ti·miʹa, “dishonor; shame”), since they disgrace, or dishonor, a person.There is no question that powerful measures are needed on our part if we are going to be determined to remain morally clean. In addition, regarding the Greek verb rendered “deaden” at Colossians 3:5, The Expositor’s Bible Commentary states: “It suggests that we are not simply to suppress or control evil acts and attitudes. We are to wipe them out, completely exterminate the old way of life. ‘Slay utterly’ may express its force. . . . Both the meaning of the verb and the force of the tense suggest a vigorous, painful act of personal determination.” We should therefore avoid pornography as though it were a dangerous, infectious, death-dealing disease, for that is what it is morally and spiritually. Christ expressed a similar thought when he said to get rid of a hand, a foot, or even an eye if it is causing us to stumble.​—Mark 9:43-48. Continuing... If you’re an avid gay porn watcher and concerned about “addiction,” take a moment to self-check. Did you just come out of the closet, or are you in it still? Is it possible that your concerns about addiction are tied to your sexual shame and more importantly jeopardizing your relationship with Jehovah? Are you worried that your sex drive is too high, and that you desperately seek relief ? Or, after serious self-examination, do you find that your porn consumption is actually interfering with your well-being, and again, especially with your relationship with Jehovah? So, you can’t control how much gay porn you watch? What starts out as simply surfing the Internet turns into an hours long marathon of gay porn consumption, where you lose track of time and find yourself unable to stop. If you're addicted to gay porn, let us here know. With mutual support we can gain control together. We really do want to please Jehovah. You don't need to be in this fight alone. Help and support are here! Also, click on the article titles here to read the articles. What If I Am Addicted to Pornography? Why Reject Pornography? What Does the Bible Say About Pornography? Is Cybersex Wrong? Does the Bible Condemn Pornography? Pornography -- Harmless or Toxic? Could a Christian’s habit of viewing pornography become so bad that he must be disfellowshipped from the congregation? The ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ can be a strong motivator to resist gay pornography. April 2021 Watchtower Study Edition, article "Continue Appreciating the Ransom" Resist the temptation to sin. If we truly appreciate the ransom, we will not take the attitude: ‘There is no need for me to put up much resistance when I am tempted. I can go ahead and commit a sin, and then I’ll ask for forgiveness.’ Rather, when we are tempted to do something wrong, we will say: ‘No! How could I do such a thing after everything Jehovah and Jesus have done for me?’ In line with that, we can ask Jehovah for strength, begging him: ‘Do not allow me to give in to temptation.’​—Matt. 6:13. PICTURE DESCRIPTION: Each brother resists a temptation​— to look at inappropriate images, to smoke tobacco, or to accept a bribe. Experiences One brother: Satan promotes sexual immorality by means of pornography. The present system of things is awash with it. Those who view pornography find it difficult to erase the immoral scenes from their minds. They can even become addicted to pornography. Consider what happened to one Christian. He says: “I secretly viewed pornography. I created a fantasy world that I thought was disconnected from the world where I served Jehovah. I knew that this practice was wrong but told myself that my service to God was still acceptable.” What changed this brother’s thinking? He states: “Although it was the most difficult thing I have ever done, I decided to tell the elders about my problem.” This brother eventually broke free from this degrading habit. “After I cleansed my life of this sin,” he admits, “I finally felt that I had a truly clean conscience.” Those who hate lawlessness must learn to hate pornography. Another brother: Antonio was in even greater danger from immorality: He was addicted to pornography. Although he was married to a woman he dearly loved, he found himself giving in to that habit again and again. He says that thinking about 1 Peter 5:8 really helped him. It says: “Keep your senses, be watchful! Your adversary, the Devil, walks about like a roaring lion, seeking to devour someone.” Antonio comments: “Pornographic images are all around us in this world, and those images can stick in the mind. That verse really helped me to think about the source of these temptations. I needed to make it a reflex to associate those dirty images with their despicable source. Now I know that only Jehovah can help me ‘keep my senses and be watchful’ so that I can fight off those attacks on my mind, my heart, and my marriage.” Antonio received the help he needed, and at last he has put his bad habit behind him. That, in turn, has helped him to avoid even worse troubles. Another brother: For many, staying free from pornography is an ongoing battle. Yet, as shown by what happened to Ribeiro from Brazil, this battle can be won. Ribeiro left home when he was in his teens and in time began working in a paper-recycling plant, where he was exposed to pornographic materials. He relates: “Slowly, I became addicted. It got so bad that I could not wait for the woman I was living with to leave the house so that I could watch pornographic videos.” Then, one day at work, Ribeiro looked at a pile of books that were to be recycled, and he noticed a book with the title The Secret of Family Happiness. He picked it up from the pile and read it. What he learned moved him to study the Bible with Jehovah’s Witnesses, but it took him a long time to break his bad habit. What helped him eventually? He explains: “Through prayer, Bible study, and meditation on what I learned, my appreciation of God’s qualities increased until my love for Jehovah became stronger than my desire for pornography.” Helped by the power of God’s Word and his holy spirit, Ribeiro stripped off his old personality, got baptized, and now serves as a congregation elder. Notice that Ribeiro had to do more than simply study the Bible to succeed in his struggle. He had to take time to allow the Bible’s message to touch his heart. By prayer and meditation, his love for God overpowered the craving for pornography. Developing a strong love for Jehovah and a hatred for what is bad is the best way to stay free from pornography.​—Psalm 97:10: O you who love Jehovah, hate what is bad.qHe is guarding the lives of his loyal ones;rHe rescues them from the hand* of the wicked.s Breaking Free From Gay Porn Addiction But what if you have a strong attachment to gay porn and find it hard to give it up? The psychologist quoted before also said: “I find that there is an addiction to pornography. The individual . . . gets ‘hooked’ . . . and comes back again and again for more.” Yet, as with other addictions, one can break free. If you have the problem, an obvious first step is to stop feeding your mind on the filth itself, cutting off the source of contamination. (Matthew 5:29, 30) Yes, get rid of all the material that would be a temptation to resort to fantasizing. Would you tolerate an ancient phallic image in your home? Then why permit these modern expressions of sex worship there? Early Christians were quick to dispose of even costly items that posed a threat to their clean relationship with Jehovah.​—Acts 19:19. And, as with other addictions, to break free requires the addicted person humbly to admit that he has the problem, that he really wants to quit it, and then earnestly seek qualified help. (We offer help here on this site.) The Christians just referred to were quite willing to seek help from mature believers of their time. (Acts 19:18) Your own sincere prayers and those of your spiritual brothers will provide a source of strength not available elsewhere.​—James 5:13-16. Flushing out the mind with clean waters of truth and keeping it filled with pure teaching that expresses the “perfect will of God” will make it possible for unhealthy mental images gradually to fade. In this way the circuits that would keep these mental images vivid and still infectious will be erased.​—Romans 12:2; Ephesians 4:17-24. Genuine love for God and neighbor will help you break the porn habit as well as protect you from ever again becoming involved with it. Pornography is the message of modern sex worship. It stands for everything that is opposed to God and righteousness. It must be rejected outright. Avoid it like the plague it is! There are those who advocate ignoring it as a passing thing that will cure itself when people get filled or bored with it. But is that the way to handle life-threatening filth? We do not fix a leaking cesspool by ignoring it, allowing it to overflow, hoping it will somehow heal itself. You must take action! Developing self control will be essential. May this song encourage you. Click on the song title, then the digital edition button, to hear the song being sung and to follow the lyrics. We Need Self-Control Controlling gay feelings and desires Please, Father, I beg you. Give me self-control. What else can we do to break completely free from gay porn addiction? It may be true that not all are affected alike by such material. However, if we admit that the intent of such material and the reasons why it is viewed are not wholesome, then we have a conscientious decision to make, just as we would have with any other threat to our well-being and spirituality. This plague must be resisted. Face the fact that the gay porn plague is a reflection of the declining morals of our times as foretold in the Bible. (2 Timothy 3:1-6) History and experience tell us that despite laws and regulations, people who want pornographic material will find a way to make, distribute, and consume it. Thus, there are feminists who vehemently deplore exploitation and maltreatment of women by pornographers and porn addicts but who nevertheless will, at the same time, express reservations about a total ban on smut. They speak favorably of “erotica” for their own use that portrays what these feminists call “sexual expression between two people who desire each other and who have entered this relationship with mutual agreement.” Gay men also wish to reserve for themselves the right to make and view their own “victimless” homosexual pornography.​—2 Peter 2:18, 19. Obviously, if we listen to the self-serving excuses of these and others who are ‘sowing with a view to the flesh,’ we will soon get lost in a maze of hair splitting philosophical arguments as to what is and what is not porn, erotica, and art. (Galatians 6:8) No matter what people call the material, when it displays for sexual arousal what the Bible calls unnatural and obscene​—fornication, adultery, homosexuality, bestiality, incest, rape—​then a Christian knows such is not fitting for him to view, since such things should “not even be mentioned among” Christians.​—Ephesians 5:3-5; Hebrews 13:4; 1 Corinthians 6:9-11; Leviticus 18:6-30. From all the above, it should be clear that pornography must be included among those things “shameful even to relate.” It animalizes sex. So, “let no man deceive you with empty words, for because of the aforesaid things the wrath of God is coming . . . Therefore do not become partakers with them . . . Quit sharing with them in the unfruitful works that belong to the darkness, but, rather, even be reproving them.”​—Ephesians 5:6-15. Yes, successfully resist the plague of pornography by seeing it for what it is: a medium for sex worship. Vigorously reject it and its lies, uncleanness, and idolatry. Remember: “Those who practice such things will not inherit God’s kingdom.” True Christians have “impaled the flesh together with its passions and desires.” So, “keep walking by spirit and you will carry out no fleshly desire at all.” (Galatians 5:16-24) Succumbing to the porn plague means death, but observing God’s commandments means life.​—1 John 2:15-17. Breaking the chain of gay porn addiction!
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Click on these titles to read pertinent articles and watch a video. I’m Attracted to the Same Sex—Does That Mean I’m Gay? Is Homosexuality Wrong? Homosexuality​—Is It Really So Bad? What Does the Bible Say About Homosexuality? Article 1 What Does the Bible Say About Homosexuality? Article 2 Is Homosexuality Ever Justifiable? A great, reasonable article! Does the Bible Comment on Same-Sex Marriages? The Bible’s Viewpoint: Homosexuality​—Why Not? How Can I Explain the Bible’s View of Homosexuality? Explaining God's View of Homosexuality to Children Will I follow the path to please Jehovah and to get everlasting life, or will I take the path of practicing homosexual acts that ends up in everlasting destruction?
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May 12, 2021
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My name is John. Yes, even at 5 years old I was attracted to the same sex. And all throughout my childhood and teen years I was attracted to guys and had many sexual encounters with them. I gave my gay desires full rein. Then I got the truth at 21. All my life I was obsessed with death. I would be afraid to go to sleep at night for fear I wouldn't wake up and be dead forever. So one night in a state of panic, I prayed so hard that God would get me answers to questions I had had all my life. The very next day when I came home from classes, I found a tract in my door, "Would you like to understand the Bible." It advertised the book, "The Truth That Leads to Eternal Life." And one of the questions it said the book would answer was "Where are the dead?" I excitedly sent for the book. Three days later a brother and a circuit overseer called at my door. I eagerly let them in. When they pulled out the book, "The Truth That Leads to Eternal Life," I said that I just ordered that book! They opened to the table of contents and asked me what topic would interest me, and I said "Where are the dead?" We opened the book and they started studying with me right then. I knew right away that I had found the truth that I had been praying for all my life! The brother that studied with me was a former Jew and Gilead graduate. His zeal had me to all the meetings after just 3 studies ,and after just 6 studies, I was out in service every Saturday and every Sunday. Over the years I served as a regular pioneer, ministerial servant, and elder. The first Watchtower the Witnesses left me had an article about homosexuality. I devoured the articles. I thought, well, to please Jehovah, I'll just have to give up gay sex acts, you know like turning off the water faucet. Well, little did I know that trying to suppress my gay desires was like trying to stop the flow of water at Niagara Falls! It's really been a daily fight for all my life, and my gay desires are as strong as ever. Well, then several years back I did give in to my gay desires. I was disfellowshipped for my homosexual acts. I was out for 26 months! Finally, I was reinstated and am committing no more homosexual acts. It reminds me of what the apostle Paul wrote to the Corinthians in his second letter, at 2 Corinthians 2:5-11: "Now if anyone has caused sadness, he has saddened, not me, but all of you to an extent—not to be too harsh in what I say. This rebuke given by the majority is sufficient for such a man; now you should instead kindly forgive and comfort him, so that he may not be overwhelmed by excessive sadness. I therefore exhort you to confirm your love for him. For this is also why I wrote to you: to determine whether you would give proof of your obedience in all things. If you forgive anyone for anything, I do also. In fact, whatever I have forgiven (if I have forgiven anything) has been for your sake in Christ’s sight, so that we may not be overreached by Satan, for we are not ignorant of his designs." So after just 5 months, yes 5 months, Paul admonished the overseers in the Corinthian congregation to reinstate the expelled brother "so that he may not be overwhelmed with excessiveness sadness." So you can imagine the excessive sadness, the severe depression, almost like PTSD, that I experienced for those 26 months! I didn't appeal the disfellowshipping at first because I felt so guilty about displeasing Jehovah. But after some months I began to think about the reasons that the elders gave for disfellowshipping me. I wrote an 8 page typewritten letter about the situation and submitted it to the Branch. I specifically quoted the elders' reasons for disfellowshipping me and quoted directly from the Branch's publications to show how those reasons regarding my actions were erroneous. The elders got a copy of the letter and met with me. I don't think they liked that I wrote to the Branch. So after 8 months they denied my plea for reinstatement. They said that being disfellowshipped would be good for me! Wrong! Well, let me tell you, nothing good, nothing positive came out of the disfellowshipping. For me the disfellowshipping was crippling and debilitating, to say the least. I was repentant from the get go, even showing works that befit repentance! Shortly thereafter, a statement came out in the Watchtower saying that "elders can misinterpret our actions and misjudge us"! I am convinced that that was the case with me. Anyway, water over the dam. And, as Paul wrote, I was "overwhelmed with excessive sadness" for 26 months and have had a long struggle to heal, and still healing. Christian Aguilar If I want to leave homosexuality to obey God, I'm allowed to, just like people are allowed to leave nasty comments on creators' content. Creators who are brave enough to share their lives on camera and be judged by everyone watching. FYI: If your goal is to be famous, keep in mind that people will ridicule you when you're a public figure and stop supporting you when they feel offended by your content. For example, I'm not even close to fame, and people unsubscribe every time I publish a new video on YouTube. I lose followers on Instagram every time I post Christian content. When I announced that I no longer wanted to partake in homosexual acts, people told me I was brainwashed; I'm trying to fill a hole inside, ignorant, a hypocrite, homophobic, and I'm not being true to who I am. That's a widespread belief: when people come out as gay, they're told that now they get to live a truly authentic life. No! A person doesn't have to give in to sin to live their best life. Plus, a person can come out as gay, go to pride every year, and advocate for the LGBT community and still not be their true selves. & Yes, homosexuality is a sin. It counts as sexual immorality.⁣ ⁣ "'You must not lie down with a male in the same way that you lie down with a woman. It is a detestable act.'" Leviticus 18:22 You may think I'm trying to spread hate, but trust me, if the Bible supported homosexuality, I wouldn't have uploaded this video. What I've said in this video comes from someone who has actually practiced homosexuality. Someone who has been to pride, gay clubs, has gone on dates with men and has used Grindr. And after everything I have said, you still think I'm trying to spread hate; it is what it is. But if you know me and have consumed my content over the years, you know that I've been my true self since day one. I'm not here to prove you wrong. I'm here to share my perspective, help you draw closer to God, and be as transparent and vulnerable as possible in a world where discipline, integrity, and honesty are overlooked.⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣⁣ "For the speech about the torture stake is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved, it is God's power." 1 Corinthians 1:18 For more real talk and Bible wisdom, follow Molding Excellence ⤵️ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/moldingexce... Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/moldingexcel... Pinterest: https://www.pinterest.com/moldingexce... TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@moldingexcell...#celibacy #homosexuality #JehovahGod #Christianity By the way, here is Christian Aguilar's Website: Molding Excellence Christian has posted a lot on youtube. Christian Aguilar on YouTube Another gay brother Another gay brother talks about why and how being a gay Jehovah's Witness, evidently from England, is such an incredible struggle. I'm sure many of us, if not all of us, feel the same way and can completely identify with his experience. I was raised and baptised as a very serious Jehovah’s Witness. Every waking moment of my day was lived for Jehovah and his organization and for nothing else. I was also gay. Whilst I was told I could have Jehovah’s favour if I did not practice my homosexual feelings (like a straight person could whilst not committing fornication) I personally felt that it was different if you are gay. Regardless of how much self-control I manifest, I was gay. We are not people with homosexual feelings; we are gay people, gay to the core. A heterosexual man's attraction toward a woman feels completely natural. For me and other gay Jehovah’s Witnesses, our attraction feels natural too – but for men. The thought to be with a woman is simply not there, for some of us it just isn’t something that could ever be considered. When we overcome temptation, like the thought of stealing or viewing pornography, we can feel proud that we overcome it and have Jehovah’s favour. But despite not actually engaging in homosexual activity, just because we are gay, we are something that Jehovah apparently detests. It is such a struggle because we know (as many have said to me) we are not considered as normal and have to wait for Jehovah to fix us in paradise. Can you imagine what this does to young men in the organization? Saying that being gay is not normal and we have to be fixed, especially when to us our feelings are completely normal and natural. It is not a learned habit or something you can overcome. Many times I have sat through meetings and the topic of homosexuality or homosexuals has come up and I cringe at what I’m hearing and I have to get up to go to the toilet just to stop hearing it, because I don’t want to be reminded how being gay is wrong and how gay people will be destroyed at Armageddon. Yes, I know it only refers to those who are practising homosexuals, but knowing how God hates homosexuals and knowing that I am one and can’t fix that is mentally debilitating. I was baptised at 15. Sometime afterwards, I messed up and engaged in light homosexual activity. I kept it concealed and was eventually appointed as a pioneer. When I was 17 a brother from a neighbouring congregation and I formed a friendship and inappropriately touched each other. He confessed to the elders and we were both privately reproved. I felt my life was over. At this point I had not accepted I was gay and because of the judicial procedure the elders and my family had to be told. Rumours leaked out about it into the congregation. It was devastating to say the least. A gay worldly couple started studying with Jehovah’s Witnesses up in Birmingham. They accepted it as being true and decided to separate in order to get baptised. They moved to different congregations to make it easier not to fall into temptation. Whilst impressed with their level of faith in order to do this, it is sad gay people are denied very basic human rights, the right to love someone and build a home with that person. These two men now have to spend a life in this system alone, watching other brothers dating and getting married and growing old with their wives, whilst they stand around gathering dust. All gay people are in this situation. It is painful to watch your friends grow up and marry whilst you are left alone. You cannot marry; neither can you hang out with your friends as you once did, as that is what happens when they marry. It becomes a lonely life with no prospects in that regard. I started to be stigmatised for being gay. Other brothers did not feel comfortable to invite me on holidays that they arranged. Several congregation events were organised, and I was asked to pick up a young brother from a nearby village. Every time he would cancel coming. I learned that his father did not want his son and me alone in the car. I may be gay, but that does not make me a pedophile. In fact, I was still a virgin and did not want to engage in sexual activity with any person due to my love of Jehovah. That this father thought I might sexually attack his son hurt deeply. He was not the only one. Soon, I was learning that all young brothers in the congregation had been warned not to be alone with me. I was not after sex, and had no plans to sexually attack these people, but because I was outed as being gay, people became uncomfortable with me. I lost any chance that a brother will house share with me or want to go on holidays. It became difficult just to make friends. Some say it is no different than for a sister that has never married, but it is not the same. She still has the hope and possibility to find a marriage mate. A gay Jehovah’s Witness never has that hope. Having friends in the truth does not make up for it. It is hard to buy a house, or even just to rent and pay bills when you have to do it alone without someone else to help financially. I cannot share with a sister, nor can I share with a brother. A brother and sister, even though their friendship is platonic, cannot be alone together. As a gay Jehovah’s Witness, I cannot be alone with either sex. So now I am left completely alone. To sum up why the life of a gay Jehovah’s Witness is so destructive, you; have feelings of complete inadequacy because you are something detestable to Jehovah need to be fixed in paradise because you are abnormal live a life alone, watching all your friends set up family, knowing you will never experience love, hold someone or build a life with someone will have elders share your confidential information with members of the congregation, especially among your peer group, making it difficult to form any friendships will have parents keep their children away from you, making you feel like a sexual predator Experience of a homosexual actor A homosexual male, an actor, who eventually settled in New York city, tells how he made the change. This man was thoroughly homosexual. Let him explain the about-face he has made and the effort on his part that has been involved: “I had been a homosexual since the age of eight; by the time I was twenty-three years old I came to be in absolute, unquestioned servitude to my flesh. Like many homosexuals I tried to salve my conscience and the seriousness of my immorality by saying, as do many sophisticates of this world, that I was ‘gay.’ But the simple truth of the matter is I was a pervert. I can still recall at least 150 males with whom I repeatedly engaged in every kind of sexual perversion. I do not say this to try to excite or ‘turn on’ anyone who may have homosexual tendencies but to illustrate the level to which I had fallen. Actually, by the gay world’s standards, I might have been considered only a moderate homosexual since I engaged in immorality with less than three different men each day. “Secretly I knew that my homosexuality was wrong. And when, a few years ago, I was invited to a meeting of Jehovah’s witnesses, I began to reinforce this conviction about the error of the homosexual course. Additionally, I liked what I heard from the Witnesses. The idea of living forever in a paradise earth really appealed to me. It was so pleasant, so relieving. I had always wondered why the world is the way it is, with so much hate, greed and selfishness in it. I wondered what hope there was for the future. Jehovah’s witnesses gave me the answers. But even at that I did not immediately change my homosexual way of life; I knew that would be difficult, as I enjoyed it very much. Further, I was continuing my acting career, including taping my TV shows. I was making a lot of money and that, too, would not be easy to give up. “However, in 1969 I was working in New York city and went to the ‘Peace on Earth’ Assembly of Jehovah’s witnesses at Yankee Stadium. During the concluding remarks I was really brought face to face with reality. The speaker directed his remarks to those who were not Jehovah’s Witnesses, saying: ‘You know you want to be in God’s new order. So why don’t you come along with us, and gain life in that new order?’ The simple truth of those words hit home. I did want life. I did love Jehovah’s people. From that moment on I began to make changes in my life. It was a question of either serving Jehovah and living or staying ‘gay’ and dying. “To say that from then on I never had a homosexual experience again would really sound nice. But, unfortunately, it would be a lie. I did slip after that. But I did not give up. I detested what I had done and made a firmer resolve that I would not repeat the immorality again. Few persons probably can ever appreciate the fight I had​—the terrible agony, day and night, as the ‘flesh’ cried out for satisfaction sexually. In time I won the fight, but not in my own strength. Continually I went to God in prayer and asked for his help, and he did help me. However, I took action in harmony with my prayers. “I resigned from all acting engagements, even though it meant giving up many material comforts and much public exposure as an actor. I realized that the atmosphere in the field of acting is simply not conducive to practicing true Christianity or any decent morality. In time I completely left off all homosexual practices and was accepted for baptism by Jehovah’s witnesses. But particularly what brings me pleasure is that I now have a clean conscience, and I know that I am living a life that is pleasing to Almighty God.” Experience of a gay sister, Mel Mendoza See what you think of this experience. Might the elders have 'misinterpreted her actions and misjudged her'? "Coming Out as a Gay Jehovah's Witness" Would You Like to Hear a Story? It’s my story. A rather personal story. It’s the story behind some of the most important decisions I’ve ever made… will make… have yet to make. In order to understand my coming out story, it is crucial for you to understand where I come from. So bear with me as I try to articulate an abridged history. Part I: Living the Lifestyle I was born and raised as a Jehovah’s Witness [JW]. The important thing to know about Jehovah’s Witnesses is that religion, for them, isn’t just about going to church on Sunday every once in a while. Being a JW is not just being in a religion, it is the taking up of a lifestyle. Usually, all your friends are from the congregation and your entire family are JW’s. Your entire social network and support system are tied to your religious beliefs. You are taught that there is nothing of true value outside of the Organization [aka Organization of Jehovah’s Witnesses]. This is where I came from. One of my first girl crushes was Kimberly from the Power Rangers. I fawned over the Olsen Twins; and while all my friends started dating boys, all I could think about was how good Eden looked in her PE uniform. Still, coming from a very religious and sheltered life it was hard to come to terms with my sexuality. Though I couldn’t pinpoint what it was, deep down I knew that what I was feeling was wrong. The Branch's view on homosexuality was clear: anyone who partakes in any sort of homosexual behavior is sinning and can expect to face disciplinary action from God and the congregation. I tried my best to overcome my feelings once I recognized them for what they were. I did everything in my power to work against it. In the meantime, I fell into depression and self-harm. I could not confide in anyone, or hope that they would understand how I felt. When I was at my worst, I tried to confide in one of my sisters who was not a JW at the time. I ended up not telling her because my mother had just been diagnosed with breast cancer and I didn’t want to put another weight on their shoulders. If I were to tell anybody else, I would end up in the elders room where I would be facing an inquiry and possibly even charges against me. My brother had just been disfellowshipped from the Organization because of charges of immorality. I was afraid of being ostracized and being ignored like he was. You see, when you’re a baptized and active JW and you commit a sin or an accusation of you having committed a sin occurs, you face certain consequences. There is a judicial committee, they bring the charges against you to your attention, and then you prove yourself innocent or not. If they still think you are guilty of that which you have been accused, then you are either censured or disfellowshipped. Being censured entails the loss of any privileges that you may have in the congregation such as roles of responsibilities, preaching privileges, etc. Disfellowshipping, however, means you lose everything in most cases. Any active Jehovah’s Witnesses are not allowed to speak to you or associate with you. For most JW’s this means losing most if not all of their family and friends. As was my brothers case, but I cheated; I still spoke to my brother and we became very close during this time. I was there when he had no one else and he has always thanked me for that. Although I stood by him, he was still very alone. So, I prayed to God and tried to bargain with Him. I didn’t want to go through what my brother was going through. The biggest promise/sacrifice I could make to Him was my baptism. For Jehovah Witness’s, baptism is a sincere dedication to God and the Organization. It’s a pretty big deal. When I turned fifteen, I was baptized as one of Jehovah’s Witnesses. When I realized that the feelings didn’t go away, I became a full-time pioneer (evangelizer) working hard in spreading the message of God. If anything, to keep me too busy to worry about how I was feeling. For a year I spent over 60 hours in the ministry per month going door to door and giving bible studies. Instead of trying to get healthier emotionally, I simply worked harder and harder to suppress my feelings. My first priority was God and my family. Then, I met my match. Part II: The Most Important Exception My first kiss was when I was 17. We had grown up together in the congregation. We met when I was six. My family had just moved halls and she was my age, so naturally we gravitated toward each other. My older sister babysat her and her little brother for a few years while we were in elementary and middle school. When I turned 16, she and I had just gotten back in touch and she was spending the summer with me in the midst of her parents’ divorce. Over the summer we became the best of friends. I fell in love with her, and she with me. One night that summer, she kissed me and I kissed her back. She was my first everything and we were in a secret relationship for over a year. During this time my spirituality obviously suffered. I stopped paying attention and showing interest at the meetings. I stopped preaching. How could I teach about God’s laws when I was breaking them every day just by being with the girl I loved? My parents grew worried and rumors started circulating. My girlfriend and I were constantly fighting because I was still trying to keep my family close to me and I worked hard to keep us in the closet. She was just as afraid of the consequences as I was, but she had more courage than I did and came out to her mother and brother when the rumors started. Not too long after, I received a call from the body of elders in my congregation. They said they needed to talk to me. My girlfriend begged me not to go. She knew that all I would get out of it was disfellowshipping. By this point in time, my brother had already returned to the organization, but I still feared the shunning. I didn’t want to lose everything. So I told my father and mother that I would not be attending the meeting with the elders. My dad knew of the rumors and he had defended me as best he could, in saying that there was no truth to it. But, as an ex elder, he told me that if I didn’t go I would be expelled. I figured that if I was going to go down, I wouldn’t do it without taking a stand for myself and what I believed in. I thought I could handle it. I was mostly wrong. Part III: The Confession The day of the first meeting was in the spring of 2010. I arrived at the Kingdom Hall at 4 in the afternoon. The elders escorted me to the back conference room. There were 9 chairs in the room, all cluttered around a long conference table. Three older men sat across from me. We started with a prayer and then they asked me what was wrong. They had noticed that things were different in my behavior, like that I had stopped going out preaching and commenting during the congregation book study. “Your spiritual health has been deteriorating,” they said. I let them know that things in my life were good. That I was healthy and well, but that I disagreed with some of their teachings. After building up the courage, I told them that when I get married in the future, I do not see myself marrying a man, but a woman. These men had seen me grow up. They had known me from the time that I was 6 years old. They were there for my baptism. My brothers' and sisters' weddings. These were my friends’ fathers and my brother-in-law’s best friends. Yet I had never felt like such a stranger than when I saw the way they looked at me at that moment. They were shocked. They said that they were not expecting this; drugs, smoking, or porn, maybe, but not a full-out confession of homosexuality. Suddenly, these men detached themselves from every bit of modesty they might have possessed. They read scriptures to show me what they believed God thought of homosexuals. They told me that I could get help, and that I could work to fix this. They asked me if I masturbated. They asked me if I watched porn. They asked me if I had ever been with a girl. Knowing that they had my girlfriend in mind, I said no. I lied and said that I had only felt these feelings and that I was actively working on keeping them to myself. They were not satisfied. But it was 11 o’clock at night and we were all spent. They let me know that because of my confession and unwillingness to change my sexuality there would have to be a judicial meeting. Part IV: The Trial One week later, I was summoned back to meet with the elders. The committee consisted of the same three men plus two additional elders. So there I was: on trial. The charges: Homosexuality and Apostasy. The judge and jury: five men. In this court, you are guilty until you prove yourself innocent. And so the trial process began. For three long weeks I was asked questions about my sexual activity, my ideology, my job, and my schoolwork. There were deeply personal and probing questions. It was humiliating. Still, I never confessed to actual homosexual activity. Anytime they asked about my girlfriend, I would direct the answer in a different direction. I argued for my side. I cried. Skeletons were brought out of my closet. My past, including my self-harm and depression, were used against me. After the second week of the trial, my girlfriend and I broke up. She said she didn’t want to be the reason that I left the Organization. What she didn’t understand was that she was one of the only support systems I had outside of the JW world. I was not angry because she broke it off with me, I was angry because I lost the one friend I needed the most. That was the week my parents were brought into the trial. The elders had asked me if it was okay if my parents attended one of the trial meetings. They said that because I still lived under their roof, they should know the situation. I agreed. I had to come out to my mother and father somehow. About an hour before we all drove to the meeting, I walked into my mother’s room. My father was in the shower so I knew I had some time alone with her. I wanted to be the one to tell her that I was gay. I sat down on the bed and told her that the reason we were meeting with the elders was because I was on trial. I said that I had told them that when I get married, I see myself creating a family with a woman, not a man. My mother looked at me. Her eyes were red and glossy. Her voice cracked as she told me that I disgust her and that I was no longer her daughter. That I could not possibly be her daughter. The trial that day is still a bit of a blur. I remember the guilt I felt pouring over me when my father found out. I remember the way my mother wouldn’t look me in the eye, but I could still hear her crying. I remember being alone on one side of the table feeling small and broken before these righteous men of God and the two people who spent their lives raising and protecting me. After that, my five brothers and sisters who were Jehovah’s Witnesses would call me and leave me messages. I am the youngest of eight and all but three of us are JW’s. All my siblings had already moved away and started their own families. Some begged me to reconsider what I was doing to the family, to them, and to their children. Some told me to stop being selfish, and that I needed to give God a chance to help me and make me better. But I now I know I wasn’t sick. I wasn’t a disgrace. I was the same me they knew and loved one month prior. I was simply a little more honest about the whole me. But the trial took a profound mental and physical toll on me. I was still the same me on the outside, but inside I was breaking. I stopped attending college that month, and I would not return for another year. I thought I had the strength to go through with it, but I didn’t. Part V: Today The rest of my story can be summed up easily. On what was supposed to be the last day of the trial, I retracted what I had been saying. I told the elders that I had changed my mind. I said that I had prayed and decided to give God a chance to help me. I told them that I would accept their help if they would just let me stay in the congregation.. I was afraid of losing my family and friends, and now that I had nothing in the outside world, I was in no shape to be out there on my own. They said they would consider it, but two days later, I was called in so they could tell me the verdict: guilty. Almost a month from the day I confessed, I was publicly announced as an disfellowshipped Jehovah’s Witness. I never confessed to anything implicating my now ex-girlfriend, so she remains an inactive, but not excommunicated, JW. To this day, so many years later, I am still disfellowshipped. I visit my parents often, but I rarely get a word out of my mom. My dad has always been civil and sweet and I am very grateful for that. We never speak of my life outside of business or school. Since then, I have been shunned at my brother’s wedding, missed my niece's and nephew's baptisms, and other rites of passage. My brothers and sisters have not spoken to me in over three years. I lost almost every friend I had growing up. Coming out was a choice in my life that I was forced to make. But, looking back, I am glad it happened. Over the last few years, I have built support systems among my friends and some of my family outside of the Organization, and I’m still working on becoming someone I am proud to be. I reconciled with my ex and we are still very good friends. I sought help and attended therapy to better my mental health. I went back to school and ended up interning for an assembly woman and working on several committees. I quit my job and began a business. I am in a healthy, committed relationship with a wonderful and amazing woman. She has given me the gift of her love and support as well as an amazing family: a husky named Roxy and a beta fish named Olaf, oh, and her parents and siblings who I love to death. I keep myself busy and surround myself with positive things and passionate people. I am a business owner, a writer, a cyclist, a musician, a voter, an artist, a teacher, a photographer, and a reader. I am so many things, and I just so happen to be gay. Someday I hope my family sees that. And even if they never do, I know it—and for me, that is enough. Did these elder judges do this when they first learned of her lesbian feelings..... Ask questions? "What do you want me to do for you?" "How may I help?" "What's been happening in your life?" "How can I help you? Such questions would allow them to give meaningful assistance to her. They wouldn't make the mistake of knowing what she wanted or needed. So, did they question her as Jesus did the leper? At Mark 10:51 Jesus asked: "What do you want me to do for you?" Dignify gay Jehovah's Witnesses and allow such gay brothers and sisters to reveal what is in their heart, again then you can render meaningful assistance. "What do you want me to do for you?" Did the elders neglect helping her, giving her support, in this way in the first place? If so, might the elders have 'misinterpreted her actions and misjudged her' ? Please share your experience.
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Welcome, brother! A lot of gay Jehovah's Witnesses really struggle with their homosexuality. They often want a confidant or even confidants, someone to talk to, someone who has a struggle against their homosexuality just like we do, someone who fully understands what we're going through, too. They believe in the truth and about what Jehovah says in his Word regarding homosexuality, and they want to obey him and be faithful and get the life when these plaguing feelings and desires will be gone forever! We WILL find such persons here, and we can even build a community of gay Jehovah's Witnesses, a family, for much mutual support, knowing that, even though we share the same imperfection of homosexuality, our individual circumstances and needs can vary greatly. You can count on me, brother! My support has no limits! Please sign up to subscribe for updates and also join as a member of the site and use the features of the site like posting and commenting in the Forum, as well as participating in the Members Chat. There's an Events page where members can suggest a topic to discuss or an urgent need by one of our fellow gay Jehovah's Witnesses, or a meeting to chat and get to know each other, or to do the congregation meetings together. Just email me the details and I will post what the Zoom meeting event will be about, on what date and time it will be held, the Zoom meeting login details, and members can RSVP if they want to attend. These will be live events. For those who can't attend, especially due to time zone differences, the live event Zoom meetings will be recorded and available to those who can't attend the live meeting. Don't we all need and seek mutual support?! Concerning those we will meet on this site, how do we know if the person we're meeting here is a genuine Jehovah's Witness and is really gay, or is the person a fraud, a fake, or even an apostate? Questions like these over time may be helpful. 1. How did the person come into the truth, their experience, and did they get baptized, or are they working towards baptism? 2. Do they know the teachings of the Bible, and do they believe them? 3. Although perhaps weak, are they, or are they trying to be spiritual? 4. Do they try to undermine Biblical teachings and do they distrust Jehovah's organization here on earth? 5. Do they really seek support, reaching out to help you as well, feeling the mutual struggle you both have, showing one another dignity, and do they ask you these questions: "What do you want me to do for you? What's been happening in your life? How may I and how can I help you?" And will they keep in regular contact with you? 6. Are they honest about homosexual experiences they may have had? 7. Are they willing to talk openly, or are they trying to hide things? Are they reasonable? 8. Are they honest and humble about admitting their weaknesses? 9. Are they willing to Zoom in person? 10. How do they treat you and others on the site? 11. Are they an ex-Jehovah's Witness? If so, why did they leave? 12. Are they disfellowshipped? If so, why? Do they want to come back? How are they showing works that befit repentance? Have they approached or will they approach the elders to return? 13. Is the person flirting with you and others on the site? Danger! Beware of sly flirts! And will persons on this site be true friends as described in the following Blog post? Click on the title to go directly to the post. "What defines a true friend?" As Jesus stated at Matthew 10:16, "prove yourselves cautious as serpents and yet innocent as doves." May all be able to count on each other. Please click on the song title "You Can Count on Me" for the mindset we need to have to help and support each other as gay Jehovah's Witnesses. You Can Count on Me Through our ups and downs, we can count on true friends. Click on the song title to see the lyrics. The digital button gives you the lyrics to the song and the song being sung. Then click also on the video button to watch a music video appropriate to the song. True friends providing each other mutual support. If after listening to the song, you would like a friend for mutual help and support, I extend my hand of help, support, and friendship to you. John at plapjc@yahoo.com If you speak a language other than English, feel free to post and comment in your own language, and if you can, click on and go to Google Translate and put your post or comment into English, too. You can also take any English text here and have it translated into your native language. For more about how to do this, please see the Forum post "Tips & Tricks." Click on the Forum post title here to go directly to the post. Thank you! Merci! Vielen Dank! Contact information: plapjc@yahoo.com Text or call: 239-245-2995 USA country code is number 1
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This is your Forum to post all kinds of discussions that gay Jehovah's Witnesses need, posts and comments that comfort, encourage, reassure, and appeal to Jehovah's views from the Bible. Forums are a great way to engage other gay Jehovah's Witnesses in all types of discussions. Post relevant information to encourage engagement and collaboration. And if you'd like, feel free to visit the Events page to schedule a live discussion. The true meaning of I Corinthians 6:9-11 Haven't there been numerous discussions of gay ex-JW's who try to justify their homosexuality and misinterpret the truth behind the Scriptures? For example, when Paul wrote to the Corinthians, he mentioned homosexual acts as something that bars one from inheriting God's Kingdom. Some say, "Oh, he was only referring to high officials and older men who kept young boys around for sex, and not making a blanket statement about homosexuality." But here's an interesting point about what Paul wrote. 1 Corinthians 6:9-11: "Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice homosexuality, thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. And yet that is what some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God." Consider the original Greek text concerning I Corinthians 6:9-11. "Or οὐκ not οἴδατε have YOU known ὅτι that ἄδικοι unjust (ones) θεοῦ of God βασιλείαν kingdom οὐ not κληρονομήσουσιν; they will inherit? Μὴ Not πλανᾶσθε· be YOU being misled; οὔτε neither πόρνοι fornicators οὔτε nor εἰδωλολάτραι idolaters οὔτε nor μοιχοὶ adulterer sοὔτε nor μαλακοὶ soft [men] οὔτε nor ἀρσενοκοῖται liers with males1οὔτε nor κλέπται thieves οὔτε nor πλεονέκται, covetous (ones), οὐ not μέθυσοι, drunkards, οὐ not λοίδοροι, revilers, οὐχ not ἅρπαγες snatchers βασιλείαν kingdom θεοῦ of God κληρονομήσουσιν. they will inherit.11 Καὶ And ταῦτά these (things) τινες some ἦτε· YOU were; ἀλλὰ but ἀπελούσασθε, YOU were washed off, ἀλλὰbutἡγιάσθητε, YOU were sanctified, ἀλλὰ but ἐδικαιώθητε YOU were justified ἐν in τῷ the ὀνόματι name τοῦ of the κυρίου Lord ἡμῶν of us Ἰησοῦ of Jesus Χριστοῦ Christ καὶ and ἐν in τῷ the πνεύματι spirit τοῦ of the θεοῦ God ἡμῶν." {When YOU is capitalized, it is the plural form of you, more than one person, like in English "you guys" or "you all".} Notice the two expressions Paul used in reference to homosexuals. The first refers to "soft [men]" and the second "liers with men" those who "lie with men." Soft men (feminized men) has reference to those men who allow themselves to be used sexually by another man, be it to give oral or anal sex or allow themselves to masturbate the other male, like a female (a soft one) plays a more submissive role (hence, a feminized male). The second refers to the male who is more dominant in the sexual union, using other men by having another male give them oral sex, or who do anal sex on another male, or who allow themselves to be masturbated by the other male. How fitting Paul's words are today! Currently in the gay community, how often do we hear gay men being asked, "Are you a top [a lier with men] or a bottom [a soft man]?"! Again, many gays today contend that Paul was making reference only to high officials keeping young boys around for sex, or even any older men having sex with younger boys, which such pederasty, no doubt, was a common practice, especially in ancient Greece. But as you can see in this art relic depiction, it still involves males having sex with other males, younger or older. See the references that follow this image. Thomas Hubbard writes in his book, Historical Views of Homosexuality: Ancient Greece "Ancient Greece featured at least five different varieties of same-sex relations: (a) pederastic relations, typically between adolescent boys and adult men who were not yet married; (b) relations between male youths of approximately the same age; less frequently (c) homosexual relations between fully adult men; (d) age-differentiated relations between females; and (e) relations between adult females." Click on the book title to read a summary of the author's views on this subject. Sexual Deviance and Society: A Sociological Examination by Meredith G. F. Worthen, June 2016, makes reference to men in ancient Greece: Love Between Adult Men "Given the importance in Greek society of cultivating the masculinity of the adult male and the perceived feminizing effect of being the passive partner, relations between adult men of comparable social status were considered highly problematic, and usually associated with social stigma. This stigma, however, was reserved for only the passive partner in the relationship. According to contemporary opinion, Greek males who engaged in passive anal sex after reaching the age of manhood – at which point they were expected to take the reverse role in pederastic relationships and become the active and dominant member – thereby were feminized or "made a woman" of themselves. There is ample evidence in the theater of Aristophanes that derides these passive men and gives a glimpse of the type of biting social opprobrium ( harsh criticism or censure) and shame heaped upon them by their society." Click on the book title to read more on this subject. In addition to that point, if 'liers with men' (tops) and 'soft men' (bottoms) engaged in homosexual acts and couldn't inherit God's Kingdom, does that imply that older men and young boys (who had not yet reached manhood) could engage in homosexual acts up until the boy reached manhood, and they could still have God's approval and inherit His Kingdom? For those wanting to obey Jehovah and get everlasting life, the Scriptures clearly forbid homosexual acts of any kind, between whatever males of whatever ages that may be involved. As far as even lesbians or gay females are concerned, as well as again gay males, Paul wrote this in his letter to the Roman Christians at Romans 1:24-28, 32: "Therefore, God, in keeping with the desires of their hearts, gave them up to uncleanness, so that their bodies might be dishonored among them. They exchanged the truth of God for the lie and venerated and rendered sacred service to the creation rather than the Creator, who is praised forever. Amen. That is why God gave them over to disgraceful sexual passion, for their females changed the natural use of themselves into one contrary to nature; likewise also the males left the natural use of the female and became violently inflamed in their lust toward one another, males with males, working what is obscene and receiving in themselves the full penalty, which was due for their error. Just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them over to a disapproved mental state, to do the things not fitting. Although these know full well the righteous decree of God—that those practicing such things are deserving of death—they not only keep on doing them but also approve of those practicing them." Important questions So why would Jehovah make a rule like that, no sex between males, males who love each other and want the emotional intimacy that can exist between them? And as the Branch said: This bond between two persons included the pleasure of sexual intimacy along with a close emotional connection. By today's standards such a rule forbidding homosexual relationships and homosexual acts seems archaic. To such males who have what seems to them to be inborn gay feelings and desires, it just doesn't make sense. It's odd to them. Consider this: What quality do we most appreciate about Jehovah? His love, right? If Jehovah truly loves us, look at what he says at Isaiah 48:17 - This is what Jehovah says, your Repurchaser, the Holy One of Israel: “I, Jehovah, am your God, the One teaching you to benefit yourself, the One guiding you in the way you should walk." To illustrate, consider these images. Do young children and even teens always understand why their parents warn them about certain things and make particular rules for them? Probably not. But why do they make these rules? Because they love them, right? And so Jehovah loves us. It may take time for us to appreciate why Jehovah asks certain things of us. So, if we really love him, we'll have faith that what he asks of us is for the best. The question for us then is, Do we trust him? Please watch this brief dramatization between a sister and her Bible student. Click on this link. But then, how could it be a sin to commit homosexual acts if someone is seemingly biologically born with homosexual desires? Please reason on this: We are all products of nature and nurture. We all struggle with desires that should not be fulfilled and with longings for things not lawful. As Christians we know that the heart is desperately wicked (Jeremiah 17:9). We are fallen people with a propensity for sin and self-deception. We cannot derive moral allowance from what is. Our own sense of desire and delight, or of pleasure and of pain, is not self-validating. People may, through no conscious decision of their own, be drawn to binge drinking, to promiscuity, to rage, to self-pity, or to any number of sinful behaviors. If the "I was born this way" or the "It's just the way I am" of personal experience and desire determines the “moral allowance” of embracing these desires and acting upon them, there is no logical reason why other sexual “orientations,” say, toward children, or animals, or promiscuity, or bisexuality, or multiple partners should be stigmatized. As creatures made in the image of God, we are moral beings, responsible for our actions and for the lusts of the flesh. Quite simply, sometimes we want the wrong things. No matter how we think we might have been born one way, we must abandon sinful inclinations. (John 3:3-7; Ephesians. 2:1-10) ...because it does. So, what are many gay ex-Jehovah's Witnesses doing with the apostle Paul's inspired words? 2 Peter 3:16 "Paul also wrote you according to the wisdom given him, speaking about these things as he does in all his letters. However, some things in them are hard to understand, and these things the ignorant and unstable are twisting, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures, to their own destruction." Let us trust Jehovah and "Let us listen, obey, and be blessed." Click on the song title, then the digital button to see the lyrics and hear the song being sung. Listen, Obey and Be Blessed
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It's so great to meet you! Your forum comes with a Member’s Page, which site visitors can use to get to know each other and personalize their profile page. Members can also add new posts, write comments, and like posts. They can also use the Members Chat feature, and join in live events posted on the Events page. When visitors sign up as members, they can join conversations in chat, follow posts, upload media, leave comments, and be notified of any new activity in discussions they’re following. Site members can use Members Chat to speak with site members directly while logged in. Tell us whatever you want about yourself, where you live, what your native language is, how you got the truth, anything you'd like! Bare all! We all come from many places. We want to get to know you and take a personal interest in you. It's the godly, loving thing to do. The sun never sets on gay Jehovah's Witnesses! Gay Jehovah's Witnesses can be found all over this earth. My name is John. Yes, even at 5 years old I was attracted to the same sex. And all throughout my childhood and teen years I was attracted to guys and had many sexual encounters with them. I gave my gay desires full rein. Then I got the truth at 21. The first Watchtower the Witnesses left me had an article about homosexuality. I thought, well, to please Jehovah, I'll just have to give up gay acts, you know like turning off the water faucet. Well, little did I know that trying to suppress my gay desires was like trying to stop the flow of water at Niagara Falls! It's really been a daily fight for many years and the feelings and desires are as strong as ever. Please come out and talk to us. Here are a couple testimonies of gay Jehovah's Witnesses: I have been married for ten years, and I have one child. I struggle daily with my “thorn in the flesh.” I have homosexual desires. Marriage did not change that. I had truly been in the depths of despair because I couldn’t seem to win my fight against my desires. However, after reading this article, I no longer feel like a lost cause. I have been able to accomplish the reachable goal of not acting on those desires.​—2 Corinthians 12:7. I have dealt with homosexual urges from as early as five years of age. I am now 61 years old, and the urges have not subsided. I especially liked the points that stated that even heterosexuals must flee from fornication and that there are “many who are single with little prospect of marriage and many who are married to a disabled partner who is unable to function sexually,” yet they are able to live happily without fulfilling their sexual urges. Therefore, those with homosexual inclinations can likewise lead moral lives if they truly want to please God. So I thank you for encouraging those of us who deal with this circumstance. Looking forward to meeting everyone!
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Gay Jehovah's Witnesses can have many troubling questions. Why? What? How? They want reasonable, satisfying answers. We can help you find those answers. We invite you to post any questions you have, especially those that are of a personal concern to you. You're just an "ask" and "answer" away! Have you struggled with gay porn addiction? Yes, but what is helping me is the April 2021 study article, "Continue Appreciating the Ransom." Consider the images and excerpts below. You can read the whole article by clicking on the title above here. "Resist the temptation to sin. If we truly appreciate the ransom, we will not take the attitude: ‘There is no need for me to put up much resistance when I am tempted. I can go ahead and commit a sin, and then I’ll ask for forgiveness.’ Rather, when we are tempted to do something wrong, we will say: ‘No! How could I do such a thing after everything Jehovah and Jesus have done for me?’ In line with that, we can ask Jehovah for strength, begging him: ‘Do not allow me to give in to temptation.’​—Matt. 6:13." PICTURE DESCRIPTION: Each brother resists a temptation​— to look at inappropriate images, to smoke tobacco, or to accept a bribe. This is also posted in the Forum under "Gay Porn Addiction." Click on the post title here to go directly to the post. If you have been helped with your gay porn addiction, please comment here as to what has helped you. To Masturbate or Not to Masturbate? Suppressing gay desires brings its challenges. Jehovah gave us the desire to eat, to drink, to love and be loved, and He endowed us with sexual desires. The Branch wrote: "Rather than prohibit sexual pleasure, the Bible shows that it is a gift from God to married people. He created humans “male and female” and viewed what he had made as being “very good.” (Genesis 1:​27, 31) When he brought the first man and woman together in marriage, he said that “they must become one flesh.” (Genesis 2:​24) This bond included the pleasure of sexual intimacy along with a close emotional connection." It has been said that suppressing abnormal sexual desires is harder than suppressing normal sexual desires. Gay Jehovah's Witnesses can have no outlet for sexual desires, no "sexual intimacy," no "close emotional connection." So gay Jehovah's Witnesses often watch gay porn so as to enjoy sexual intimacy vicariously, and that emotional intimacy connection vicariously, and to masturbate to satisfy those sexual desires. to help with not being "inflamed with passion." Then there's the need to keep the prostate flushed out. Researchers say ejaculation may protect the prostate through a variety of biological mechanisms: Flushing out cancer-causing substances. Frequent ejaculation may help flush out retained chemical carcinogens in the prostate glands. Reducing tension. The release of psychological tension that accompanies ejaculation may lower nervous activity associated with stress and slow the growth of potentially cancerous cells in the prostate. Promoting rapid turnover of fluids. Frequent ejaculation may help prevent the development of mini-crystals that can block ducts within the prostate gland, reducing cancer risk. Jehovah gave the male the capacity of having a wet dream. This periodically flushes out the prostate, too. One gay brother told me once that he had about four wet dreams a week even though he also masturbated! What, though, if you no longer have wet dreams, so on your own you don't regularly ejaculate? Are we condemned by Jehovah if we masturbate? And, sure, looking at gay porn only adds fuel to the fire. Ejaculation and Lower Chances of Prostate Cancer Over the years, there’s been growing evidence of a link between ejaculation and lower chances of prostate cancer. But the 2016 results of a major study made the strongest case yet. The researchers asked men to answer questions about how often they ejaculated. How didn’t matter–sex, masturbation, or wet dreams were all included. Then they tracked almost 32.000 of these men for 18 years. The researchers found that guys who did it the most (at least 21 times a month) had about a 20% lower chance of prostate cancer, compared with those who did it less (4 to 7 times a month). That was true in several age groups. Based on this premise, a prospective report from the Health Professionals Follow-up Study (HPFS) cohort published in 2004 found a statistically significant inverse association between monthly ejaculation frequency and prostate cancer risk based on 8 years of follow-up. Over follow-up, a total of 3.839 cases of prostate cancer were diagnosed. The frequency of ejaculation per month decreased with age. The proportion of men reporting an average frequency of 13 or more ejaculations per month was 57% aged 20-29 but dropped to 32% at age 40-49. Excluding men with erectile dysfunction, compared with men who ejaculated four to seven times per month: There was a 20% decreased risk of prostate cancer for those who ejaculated 21 times or more per month aged 20-29, (adjusted hazard ratio (aHR) 0.80, 95% confidence interval (CI) 0.69 to 0.92); There was an 18% decreased risk of prostate cancer in ages 40-49 for those who ejaculated 21 times or more per month, (aHR 0.82, 95% CI 0.70 to 0.96); There was a 26% reduction in risk of prostate cancer for men aged over 50 who had ejaculated 21 times or more per month in the previous year, (aHR 0.74, 95% CI 0.58 to 0.94); There was also a decreased risk of prostate cancer in ages 40-49 for those who ejaculated 13-20 times per month (aHR 0.81, 95% CI 0.72 to 0.90); There were similar yet smaller reductions in risk at all ages for men ejaculating 13 or more times per month. Why might ejaculation help prostate health and why should ejaculating more often cut the risk of prostate cancer? Experts believe that ejaculation flushes out harmful carcinogens that can build up in the prostate gland. Role of ejaculation in the treatment of chronic nonbacterial prostatitis (NBP) Abstract Background: Chronic nonbacterial prostatitis (NBP) is the most common prostatitis syndrome. Prevention and cure are not possible because the cause of NBP is unknown. However, patients may benefit from supportive measures. The impact of the frequency of ejaculation alone on the course of NBP was evaluated in the present study. Methods: Thirty-four single male patients who avoided masturbation and extramarital sexual intercourse for personal and/or religious beliefs and who did not respond to a clinical trial of doxycycline hydrochloride therapy (200 mg daily for 4 weeks) directed against mycoplasmas, chlamydiae and ureaplasmas were enrolled in the study. They were encouraged to masturbate regularly at least twice a week and were re-evaluated at the end of a 6 month period, including a complete inquiry regarding their sexual function during this time. Response was assessed by a symptom severity index. Results: Clinical and laboratory re-evaluation could be performed in 28 patients. Of 18 patients who adhered to the recommendations, two (11%) experienced complete relief of symptoms, whereas six (33%) had marked improvement, six had moderate improvement and four (22%) did not benefit. In contrast, three of seven patients who masturbated less frequently reported partial improvement. Three patients who did not ejaculate other than during wet dreams had a worse prognosis. Conclusions: Men who are single and suffering from NBP must be informed about their illness in detail and, if they are not doing so, they should be encouraged to ejaculate regularly, for example, by masturbation in the absence of a sexual relationship with a partner. We believe that normal sexual activity decreases the incidence of NBP in some cases. Prostatic congestion is exactly what the name describes – it is congestion of fluid within the prostate gland that isn’t released through ejaculation. This congestion causes the prostate, and even the seminal vesicles, to swell with fluid. The area that becomes most congested is often the peripheral zone of the prostate where prostatic fluid is produced. In some cases, prostatic congestion may be the same disease as non-bacterial prostatitis with simply more congestive symptoms rather than pain symptoms. ​ This is an often overlooked disorder that can go unnoticed in men that are sexually active or men who masturbate frequently since frequent ejaculation oftentimes relieves congestive symptoms. For this reason, men who rely on wet dreams for ejaculation often can manifest with symptoms more easily. In fact, men who suddenly become sexually inactive or stop masturbating may be the most symptomatic. For this reason, prostatic congestion can often be a major roadblock in men trying to overcome a masturbation and/or pornography addiction. Symptoms of prostatic congestion consist largely of a man feeling “full” in the prostate and/or seminal vesicles and feeling the need to ejaculate, even when not sexually aroused. This can sometimes feel like sexual fluid being backed up behind the penis in the pubic hair area. Some men feel this in the prostate area (often described as "deep inside" or on the perineum (where they sit on a bike) that my feel congested or even "buzz". Symptoms of needing to ejaculate or feeling congested can increase during the night or early morning after experiencing nocturnal erections. This often results in men ejaculating more frequently. In men who are not sexually active, this can increase masturbation frequency and those who do masturbate frequently may actually "mask" their symptoms. In men who do not masturbate for moral or religious reasons, this can also be highly distressing emotionally since the temptation to masturbate is typically extremely high. In fact, these sexually inactive/non-masturbating men often experience more symptoms than men who ejaculate regularly. And another question: Can a gay Jehovah's Witness masturbate watching another guy masturbating solo, but not watching gay guys doing oral sex, or anal sex, or masturbating each other? The apostle Paul wrote: “The works of the flesh are manifest, and they are sexual immorality, uncleanness, loose conduct . . . I am forewarning you . . . that those who practice such things will not inherit God’s kingdom.”​—Galatians 5:19-21. The Branch wrote: "An individual can be expelled from the congregation if he unrepentantly practices ... some forms of uncleanness...." Is masturbation one of those forms of uncleanness? Does that mean if a gay Jehovah's Witness masturbates, even habitually, especially to avoid homosexual acts, he can't please Jehovah and inherit the Kingdom? What is a gay Jehovah's Witness supposed to do? Another really sincere question and not at all trying to undermine Paul's God-inspired wisdom and counsel The apostle Paul wrote at Colossians 5:3: "Deaden, therefore, your body members that are on the earth as respects sexual immorality, uncleanness, uncontrolled sexual passion, hurtful desire, and greediness, which is idolatry." He also wrote at 1Corinthians 7:9 "But if they do not have self-control, let them marry, for it is better to marry than to be inflamed with passion," and at 1 Corinthian 7:36 "But if anyone thinks he is behaving improperly by remaining unmarried, and if he is past the bloom of youth, then this is what should take place: Let him do what he wants; he does not sin. Let them marry." Question: Can masturbation, even regularly and habitually as needed individually, and its relief, can it relieve and deaden sexual passions toward gay sex acts? Comments from the Branch: Uncleanness. The original Bible word translated “uncleanness” is a broad term that includes much more than sexual sins. It can refer to the harmful practice of smoking or the telling of obscene jokes. (2 Cor. 7:1; Eph. 5:3, 4) It also applies to unclean activities practiced by an individual in private, such as reading sexually stimulating books or viewing pornography, which may lead to the unclean habit of masturbation.​—Col. 3:5. Uncleanness: Or “filthiness; depravity; lewdness.” In its figurative meaning, “uncleanness” (Greek, a·ka·thar·siʹa) embraces impurity of any kind​—in sexual matters, in speech, in action, and in spiritual relationships. (Compare 1Co 7:14; 2Co 6:17; 1Th 2:3.) “Uncleanness” can therefore refer to various types of wrongdoing and may include various degrees of seriousness. The word stresses the morally repugnant nature of the wrong conduct or condition.​—See Glossary, “Unclean,” and study notes on Ga 5:19; Eph 4:19. Those who habitually view pornography nurture “uncontrolled sexual passion,” which may result in their becoming addicted to sex. Research indicates that individuals who admitted to having an irresistible urge to watch pornography show the same signs of addiction as do alcoholics and drug addicts. No wonder the practice of viewing pornography has harmful results​—such as deep feelings of shame, low productivity in the workplace, unhappy family life, divorce, and suicide. To masturbate or not to masturbate? Can a male gay Jehovah's Witness serve as an elder? It depends. In answer, notice what is stated in the January 1, 1997 issue of the Watchtower, page 26, in the article entitled "Abhor What Is Wicked." To read the entire article, click on the title here. In answer, this quoted excerpt reads: "... if they are men, they may wisely decide not to ‘reach out’ for responsibility in the congregation while still having to struggle with powerful fleshly impulses. (1 Timothy 3:1) Why? Because they know the trust that the congregation puts in the elders. (Isaiah 32:1, 2; Hebrews 13:17) They realize that the elders are consulted on many intimate matters and have to handle sensitive situations. It would be neither loving, wise, nor reasonable for one waging a constant fight with unclean fleshly desires to reach out for such a responsible position.—Proverbs 14:16; John 15:12, 13; Romans 12:1." When will we gain victory over gay lust? Something that Brother Lett of the Governing Body said in a recent JW broadcast was troubling to me. He said when an unrighteous person like a homosexual is resurrected, will he be willing to change and accept Jehovah's commands? From how Jesus performed miracles, persons with infirmities like a withered hand, blindness or raising someone back from the dead, were instantaneous healing acts. The Branch said when persons who have lost an arm or were blind go through the great tribulation, they will be instantly healed. No need for a person to gradually grow back an arm, or gradually gain sight. So, in the new world, will healing from homosexuality depend on a person's desire to change or something that will gradually be healed? Aren't we gay Jehovah's Witnesses hoping that like other imperfections, those imperfect desires will "not come up into the heart" ever again? When will Jehovah take away the feelings and desires of same sex attraction? When will we gain total victory over gay lust? Let us keep our faith strong in what Jehovah will do for us, when he finally removes these gay feelings and desires and that final victory will be ours. What will nourish that hope of victory? Please see the lyrics and hear the song being sung, "With Eyes of Faith." Click on the song title, then the digital button. Then click on the video button to watch an accompanying music video. With Eyes of Faith Another beautiful music video accompanies this song as well. Click on the arrow to watch the music video. Produced by the Watchtower, Bible, and Tract Society of Pennsylvania.
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